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so, there -- don't republicans have a gripe that he is kind of skewed in favor of taxes, taxes, taxes? >> i'm not going to play a pun it hire, our purpose in coming to washington a group of three democrats and three republican governors to make sure that perspective of the governors is heard. we you know meeting with the president today was very productive. he -- >> how? how it was productive? what did he agree to? >> look, we didn't come to support his plan or the republican plan. i think -- >> why did the come? why? >> we came because as these conversations are going on. we want to make sure that perspective of the governors is heard, the fact that states are partners with federal government across a whole range of programs, and answer is not just a shift of cost to state, you don't -- just because you move money off federal budget does not mean you are safe figure money is picked up by the state. we talk about importance of flexibility in terms of some state programs. and president was open to that. neil: you run one of the most i guess for lack of a better term, one of the more in
so, there -- don't republicans have a gripe that he is kind of skewed in favor of taxes, taxes, taxes? >> i'm not going to play a pun it hire, our purpose in coming to washington a group of three democrats and three republican governors to make sure that perspective of the governors is heard. we you know meeting with the president today was very productive. he -- >> how? how it was productive? what did he agree to? >> look, we didn't come to support his plan or the republican...
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lou: $600 billion in taxes? >> spending reductions and tax increases. the economy can't handle that. without a doubt, head into recession if we're over the cliff. lou: now, are you in agreement? >> i am, carl's absolutely right, nevertheless, the markets have effectively been yawning. equity markets, go higher, corporate credit market improves, commodity prices rising, and the ten-year treasury yield is dipping to new lows. i can't figure this out. everybody seems to -- lou: i know -- >> they are in a mood, and that worries me. somebody has to be wrong, and big time. >> yawning until they don't. that's the concern. lou: i know this would be stunning and alarming to economists who would never contemplate themselves being wrong on this, but is this some possibility that everyone is wrong about this? that these are actually men and women of good will in both parties who are beginning to come together in one great warm embrace sometime before christmas day and give the nation such a great boost of spirit of good will and reach agreement here? >> i don't kno
lou: $600 billion in taxes? >> spending reductions and tax increases. the economy can't handle that. without a doubt, head into recession if we're over the cliff. lou: now, are you in agreement? >> i am, carl's absolutely right, nevertheless, the markets have effectively been yawning. equity markets, go higher, corporate credit market improves, commodity prices rising, and the ten-year treasury yield is dipping to new lows. i can't figure this out. everybody seems to -- lou: i know...
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a little the taxes they are talking about. no one likes to pay more taxes, but the effect on the market, the things that are being proposed would be overstated. i don't think a downgrading by the credit agencies is factored into people's thinking. so that part of it, if they do something that makes the credit agencies, all of them in unison downgrade as to something below, think about this, that is not a good thing. that disturbs the markets. lou: so and other smart people watched, the speaker off fumbled through his rhetoric to say how tough he is and how resolute the white house will be in all of this. the reaction is in the markets, if it goes another couple of weeks. >> people are saying we are all idiots. people who don't have anything to do with washington and we have to live in places where we are the safest. the debt market or the equities market, particularly the equities market. china, germany, the u.s. they can survive these crazy politicians. lou: tell important. what do you think we can expect? >> far less signifi
a little the taxes they are talking about. no one likes to pay more taxes, but the effect on the market, the things that are being proposed would be overstated. i don't think a downgrading by the credit agencies is factored into people's thinking. so that part of it, if they do something that makes the credit agencies, all of them in unison downgrade as to something below, think about this, that is not a good thing. that disturbs the markets. lou: so and other smart people watched, the speaker...
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reform said we can -- we don't have to raise tax rates, we can lower tax rates by capping deducts. he said that. lou: where is coordinated action and rhetoric from the party? i'm talking about from mayors to governors. >> we have been great with policy, but we've been clumsy courtroom communicators. >> boehner will let this backfire, we are higher taxing, no growth, no jobs, fake interest rates, in two years the republican party comes back stronger. >> we're sing is political fear at its best, by being a washington dc insider i belve we can still get a deal, we have two proposal on the table. >> to get to your point, lou, from a conservative perspective, over in 6 was a national suicide. -- november 6 was a national suicide. a very thin find red line, that red line of republican party. if this party also commits suicide, this will be catastrophic. neil: we'll explore further why it is that republicans are having trouble with two areas, one winning elects and the other governing, we'll be back with tha-team, and we'll find out who is in charge o this assault on christmas among other
reform said we can -- we don't have to raise tax rates, we can lower tax rates by capping deducts. he said that. lou: where is coordinated action and rhetoric from the party? i'm talking about from mayors to governors. >> we have been great with policy, but we've been clumsy courtroom communicators. >> boehner will let this backfire, we are higher taxing, no growth, no jobs, fake interest rates, in two years the republican party comes back stronger. >> we're sing is political...
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we'll see hikes in taxs and sales tax increases and more worse is bankruptcies. we see that in stockton and san bernardino. we go to court and bankruptcy law versus pension law. you can see current services cut. tax hikes and other lousy outcomes if we don't see reforms. >> you admit we are having problems paying out the pensions. they are bankrupting. >> the pblem is that los angeles is not the place. and it is a ballot initiative. you have front runners that become mayor . they will not support it it was a nonstarter and never going to work in thetave . you have a better chance of succeeding. >> at least it was a plan . it is no law that said you cannot change 401 k's. that is future and new hires and for their plans. you don't have ill defed benefits and by the way the private sector doesn't get. there is a pension liabity in the state of the california. vicki is right. government services are starting to get cut in cities in california . so i tell you, it doesn't cut it when you have things like let's raise the retirement age to age 52. >> the fact is, these
we'll see hikes in taxs and sales tax increases and more worse is bankruptcies. we see that in stockton and san bernardino. we go to court and bankruptcy law versus pension law. you can see current services cut. tax hikes and other lousy outcomes if we don't see reforms. >> you admit we are having problems paying out the pensions. they are bankrupting. >> the pblem is that los angeles is not the place. and it is a ballot initiative. you have front runners that become mayor . they...
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he will not pay the tax rates. fairness is among the other americans, not him. that's my two cents more. thars all for to be the. thank you for joining us, dvr the show if you can't catch us live. have a great night. we'll see you right back here tomorrow. ♪ lou: the obama administration tonight ramping up diplomatic efforts to end seer -- syria's bloody civil war and the fear assad could use chemical weapons against his own people. the military is prepared to use poisen gas bombs, secretary of hillary clinton flew to dublin to hold a meeting with her russian counter part and u.n. enjoy to syria meeting to discuss how they would end the now 21-month long conflict in syria and how to move assad from power. and there's no sign they had to reverse the support, and today, a senior lawmaker says the syria government is now incapable of functioning properly. just before the meeting with the russian foreign minister, secretary clinton insisted that the united states and russia share common goals in the region. >> trying
he will not pay the tax rates. fairness is among the other americans, not him. that's my two cents more. thars all for to be the. thank you for joining us, dvr the show if you can't catch us live. have a great night. we'll see you right back here tomorrow. ♪ lou: the obama administration tonight ramping up diplomatic efforts to end seer -- syria's bloody civil war and the fear assad could use chemical weapons against his own people. the military is prepared to use poisen gas bombs, secretary...
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it never has been a tax issue. we have the same amount of revenue coming in in 2012 tat we had in 2007, but we spend a trillion dollars more per year now th we did five years ago. thiss a spending issue. gerri: spending or revenue, that is, the amount of money taken in by the federal government has recovered, and it's doing much better. >> right. gerri: turning your tarns to a conversation going on for days lately. the most recent adherent oklahoma congressman tom cole saying, look, republicans need to compromise. they need to keep tax cuts in place forpeople earning $250,000 and less. heays it's time to make a change and now people on the hill saying that the g.o.p. is splintering. what do you say? >> that's not true. actually, what tom was trying to say was it's a tax call thing. tom is against raising taxes on any level. he's against raising taxes on all folks, but have agreement with the president onhis group that's $250,000 and less, clear the table and make the bracket.ions in the upper he's against raising r
it never has been a tax issue. we have the same amount of revenue coming in in 2012 tat we had in 2007, but we spend a trillion dollars more per year now th we did five years ago. thiss a spending issue. gerri: spending or revenue, that is, the amount of money taken in by the federal government has recovered, and it's doing much better. >> right. gerri: turning your tarns to a conversation going on for days lately. the most recent adherent oklahoma congressman tom cole saying, look,...
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liz: who pays zero income tax? who got away with paying zero income tax? i like to know how you do that. >> 1500 millionaire families paid no federal income tax in 2009. and if you can't figure out a way to capture their fair share, then how else are you going to fix the problems in our tax code? if you can't do this --. liz: i'll tell you. you close all the loopholes. you make one rate or three rates for everyone. make it very simple. so that is, that is a loophole problem. that is not a marginal rate problem. that is not a go attack wealthy people problem and discourage entrepreneurship and discourage people from trying to make money and get ahead and be successful. >> yeah. liz: when you have somebody like warren buffett out there doing this, it is about attacking wealthy people. i just don't think that is what america is about. >> warren buffett himself, among the wealthiest there is so i don't think you can accuse him of class warfare. it is not just about loopholes, melissa. liz: i think i absolutely can. he is mouthpiece for the white house. he come
liz: who pays zero income tax? who got away with paying zero income tax? i like to know how you do that. >> 1500 millionaire families paid no federal income tax in 2009. and if you can't figure out a way to capture their fair share, then how else are you going to fix the problems in our tax code? if you can't do this --. liz: i'll tell you. you close all the loopholes. you make one rate or three rates for everyone. make it very simple. so that is, that is a loophole problem. that is not a...
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and he's raised tax rates and he was elected based on his tax the rich policy. he says that america is poised to take off and if it doesn't, it's the republicans fault. listen. >> you have the u.s. chamber of commerce hardly an arm of my administration or the democratic party. i think, said the other day, we can't be going through another debt crisis, a debt ceiling crisis like we did in 2011. that has to be dealt with. so, i think businesses are going to be ready to hire. we're seeing pretty strong consumer confidence despite weaknesses in europe and even in asia. i think america is poised to take off. stuart: well, the republicans are set to respond today when speaker boehner goes in front of the cameras. will he show signs of retreat or any sign of compromise? remember, the president wants higher tax rates. will john boehner try to move the line that the president has drawn? we will have it for you live here on "varney & company" starting around ten o'clock eastern. then we have darden restaurants, the parent of olive garden, red lobster. it says its business
and he's raised tax rates and he was elected based on his tax the rich policy. he says that america is poised to take off and if it doesn't, it's the republicans fault. listen. >> you have the u.s. chamber of commerce hardly an arm of my administration or the democratic party. i think, said the other day, we can't be going through another debt crisis, a debt ceiling crisis like we did in 2011. that has to be dealt with. so, i think businesses are going to be ready to hire. we're seeing...
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why don't you be responsible and raise taxes, put your finger prints on a tax increase to pay for our bigger government. republicans said no. harry reid has had a hissy fit for four years now, i'm happy the republicans would not raise taxes to pay for is bigger government. the problem is the american people don't want their taxes raised. lou: what i asked was how you feel? >> i am pleased as punch. harry reid, at haing a hissy fit at me, he's really mad at the ameican people for not wanting to raise axes. he personalizes it with me. lou: what about those folks like senator john mccain, senator lindsay gramm, senator chambliss the list goes on. i mea -- >> it doesn'go on. it does not go on. here's theood news. all the people who last week and said we might raise taxes under certain circumstaes with the same people who said that two years ago. and everyews dia outlet in the country has said the last week, would you like to be famous? would you like to be called important and influential? come to our tv station and announced u areefor tax increases and we will tell everyone you are impor
why don't you be responsible and raise taxes, put your finger prints on a tax increase to pay for our bigger government. republicans said no. harry reid has had a hissy fit for four years now, i'm happy the republicans would not raise taxes to pay for is bigger government. the problem is the american people don't want their taxes raised. lou: what i asked was how you feel? >> i am pleased as punch. harry reid, at haing a hissy fit at me, he's really mad at the ameican people for not...
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dividend taxes could be astronomical. neil: that was the single best explanation of this entire phenomenon that i have heard. >> you flatter me, sir be met really. >> you are very kind. neil: he talked about the avenue of successful investors who was inhibited by the tax rate. i am paraphring. but regardless of what the tax situation was, turning around your argument on dividends, but it could have a big imact on those who might invest in dividend paying stocks with a cd that you get, and maybe that won't happen at all. would he make of that? >> i think he is talking about something else. he is saying that people will not add to employment. neil: i get it, it won't kill the old world investment. >> that will knock it down. 30% of the long-term gain. roughly the right amount in stocks. if you're going to cut that i have, then very roughly, 15% of the value of the stock market, just like that. this is not something that affects only wealt people. it affects anyone who is saving stock market for his or her retirement. that i
dividend taxes could be astronomical. neil: that was the single best explanation of this entire phenomenon that i have heard. >> you flatter me, sir be met really. >> you are very kind. neil: he talked about the avenue of successful investors who was inhibited by the tax rate. i am paraphring. but regardless of what the tax situation was, turning around your argument on dividends, but it could have a big imact on those who might invest in dividend paying stocks with a cd that you...
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then we have been signed on the tax hike that could put a spike tax hike that could put a spike in this very twins. i didn't see them coming. i have obligations. cute obligations,ut obligatio. i need to rethink the core of my portfolio. what i really need is sleep. introducing the ishares core, building blocks for the heart of your portfolio. find out why 9 out of 10 large professional investors choose ishares for their etfs. ishares by blackrock. call 1-800-ishares for a prospectus which includes investment objectives, risks, charges and expenses. read and consider it carefully before investing. risk includes possible loss of principal. neil: welcome back. >> most of you know me pretty well. what you see is what you get. while i may be affable and someone who can work with members of both parties, which i have demonrated over the 20 years i've been here, i have also determined to solve our spending problem. to also solve this debt criis. neil: speaker john boehner is not too confident that things are looking good. saying tt republicans are not the ones blocking a deal to avoid the disa
then we have been signed on the tax hike that could put a spike tax hike that could put a spike in this very twins. i didn't see them coming. i have obligations. cute obligations,ut obligatio. i need to rethink the core of my portfolio. what i really need is sleep. introducing the ishares core, building blocks for the heart of your portfolio. find out why 9 out of 10 large professional investors choose ishares for their etfs. ishares by blackrock. call 1-800-ishares for a prospectus which...
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it is like a tax revolt. if washington does not act major league owners will be forced to shell out money. the ipad maybe number one but consumers have more options with a tablet. and just how wasteful has indeed york been? consumers and taxpayers aretomit squeezed. [ rodger ] at scottrade, seven dollar trades are just the start. try our easy-to-use scottrader streaming quotes. it's another reason more investors are saying... [ all ] i'm with scottrade. you know, from our 4,000 television commercials. yep, there i am with flo. hoo-hoo! watch it! [chuckles] anyhoo, 3 million people switched to me last year, saving an average of $475. yeah, i'm kind of a big deal. [sigh] it feels good to help people save... with great discounts like safe driver, multicar, and multipolicy. 731, 732... you want my number, don't you? call 1-800-progressive right now. or visit progressive.com for an extra $50 online savings. thirsty? 'causi got a six-pack right here. oh, yeah... [voice shaking] you don't even have to wait for your
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a higher tax next year, a higher tax on dividends is confidently expected. you avoid that if you get the dividend this year. 175 companies doing just that. all right, let's get at it, shall we. president obama's first offer fiscal cliff, higher taxes, new spending and power over the debt spending. and offered by tim geithner who had tax problems in the past and today president obama is it at a toy factory campaigning for new taxes on the rich. and joining us is julia. >> hi. stuart: how are you. >> i'm great. stuart: i can't believe that you, as a regular american, want to do this to america, do you? >> i think it's because-- i don't think that this is exactly what what's going to happen. stuart: you don't think that the president will actually do this. >> no, no, i think the president has learned to negotiate. what the president would do, he would start with sort of half a loaf and negotiate and give the republicans about 75% of what they wanted. i think he's finally understood if you want to actually get to at least halfway, you have to start at extremes a
a higher tax next year, a higher tax on dividends is confidently expected. you avoid that if you get the dividend this year. 175 companies doing just that. all right, let's get at it, shall we. president obama's first offer fiscal cliff, higher taxes, new spending and power over the debt spending. and offered by tim geithner who had tax problems in the past and today president obama is it at a toy factory campaigning for new taxes on the rich. and joining us is julia. >> hi. stuart: how...
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that comes through smart tax policy, not dumb tax policy. melissa: but they always say, if you don't, the wealthy won't miss it. they will just pay a little bit more. it is fair their share. it wil help close the gap. how do you respond to that? >> all of that money is locked up into productive activity whether in a business or the stock market or somewhere else so the more that you tax that income, at means there's less investment, there's less for the business. there is less for hiring. it has to come from somewhere. it is not a costless exercise and ultimately that trickles down to workers through lower productivity and lower wages. that is bad forverydy. that means lower standards of living for everybody. melissa: bob, is there mon difference between money in the hands of the government and money in the hands of the private sector. >> certainly the private sector is better productively. melissa: how do you know that? >> how do i know that? you see that in economies where private sector activity do more productive over time than economies
that comes through smart tax policy, not dumb tax policy. melissa: but they always say, if you don't, the wealthy won't miss it. they will just pay a little bit more. it is fair their share. it wil help close the gap. how do you respond to that? >> all of that money is locked up into productive activity whether in a business or the stock market or somewhere else so the more that you tax that income, at means there's less investment, there's less for the business. there is less for hiring....
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two ws and bush tax cuts. melissa: we afree on that. >> bush tax cuts. melissa: we have spent way too . this plan doesn't basically entitlement spending. we don't get our snding, with any ofthese three plans. even going over the cliff we don't get the spendin in order. i will giv you the last word. th we go on. >> the issue with the republicans they're losing is. they're losing the argument, the debate, they're losing everythi. what we need to do is, to respond to the question, what do we do now in three weeks? let's go aheadand give 98% of the american people a tax t. none of us are ignoring the viability and importance of looking at entitlement reform as it relates to savings getting rid of waste fraud and abuse and other aspects. i will not tolerate increase in eligibility or raising the age but what republicans are doing is, they are putting theissue taxes and theye not telling the american people that the enlightment reform and tax reform is ane orissues thatan be discussed in 2013 in deliberative manner liening to you constituents. that is the key.
two ws and bush tax cuts. melissa: we afree on that. >> bush tax cuts. melissa: we have spent way too . this plan doesn't basically entitlement spending. we don't get our snding, with any ofthese three plans. even going over the cliff we don't get the spendin in order. i will giv you the last word. th we go on. >> the issue with the republicans they're losing is. they're losing the argument, the debate, they're losing everythi. what we need to do is, to respond to the question, what...
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gerri: income tax. >> a payroll tax strictly. it's added to the medicare tax that's taken out, makes a small stop in the trust fund, and funds another program that the president likes. this is the problem. the president is not hoonest with us or the american people. he tells you he loves you and wants to take care of you, but the fact of the matter is, he's going to raise your taxes to a level that, in fact, it's going to kill economic activity in the country. how do we know? look what's happening. on your crawl on the television, dividends paid before december 31st, and why? that behavior's driven by changes in the tax code that are existing law. he's counting on people not paying attention to that. it's the holidays, that's right. they are preparing for christmas, but they have to be worried # about the tax code. gerri: a tax revolt. you'll get more of the same if december 31st passing and nobody does anything. i think everybody's right up to here with what's going on, and you are so nice to talk to us about it. really apprecia
gerri: income tax. >> a payroll tax strictly. it's added to the medicare tax that's taken out, makes a small stop in the trust fund, and funds another program that the president likes. this is the problem. the president is not hoonest with us or the american people. he tells you he loves you and wants to take care of you, but the fact of the matter is, he's going to raise your taxes to a level that, in fact, it's going to kill economic activity in the country. how do we know? look what's...
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here iwhat i want in tax increases. by the way i will increase in ending on infrastructure just to show starting from a point where he believes he has real strength and will stick it to the other side. what do you think of the counterproposal from republicans. is it strong or looking weaker? >> with any negotiation with the president's side t especially a few weeks ago, maybe you come out and shoot for the top, knowing you may not meet in the middle. i don't know if they will meet and splithe baby. melissa: right. >> do i think you always know at eventually you will have to rear back a little bit towards the middle. melissa: yeah. >> as far as the republicans counter, i think they're trying to at least in certain, especially with government. there is always posturing, right? melissa: right. >> partly it is posturing hey, we're willing to talk. here's what we're thinking to at least try to jump-start this as the clock continues to kick. melissa: when you look at the nuances what is going on in the media, yesterday everyb
here iwhat i want in tax increases. by the way i will increase in ending on infrastructure just to show starting from a point where he believes he has real strength and will stick it to the other side. what do you think of the counterproposal from republicans. is it strong or looking weaker? >> with any negotiation with the president's side t especially a few weeks ago, maybe you come out and shoot for the top, knowing you may not meet in the middle. i don't know if they will meet and...
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yes, i raise tax rates on the rich or no will not. >> you don't raise tax rates which. stuart: you would love no. and started to push like this. you wouldn't know. >> in not addressing the problem stuart: even though it wishes us over the cliff. >> i would vote no because it does not address the problem. the president is the driver in shea. stuart: i'm sorry. i hate to be like this. i'm being obnoxious i know it, but he would vote no . i will not vote for higher tax rates, even if you knew for absolute certainty that pushes aside with a cleft. >> yes. i would vote no for higher tax rates because our children and grandchildren deserve better. stuart: they agree. >> this is a generational issue. stuart: still obnoxious. we use in any way compromise? for example, would you vote yes on the tax rate increase to 37% on upper income murders to wrap up 39, 37. would you vote yes on that? >> that is not something on the table. we haven't seen is a willingness to address spending, and you have to be able to cut spending. you have to be able to reform the way these entitlement pro
yes, i raise tax rates on the rich or no will not. >> you don't raise tax rates which. stuart: you would love no. and started to push like this. you wouldn't know. >> in not addressing the problem stuart: even though it wishes us over the cliff. >> i would vote no because it does not address the problem. the president is the driver in shea. stuart: i'm sorry. i hate to be like this. i'm being obnoxious i know it, but he would vote no . i will not vote for higher tax rates,...
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then we have been signed on the tax hike that could put a spike tax hike that could put a spike in this very twins. i didn't see them coming. i have obligations. cute obligations, but obligatio. i need to rethink the core of my portfolio. what i really need is sleep. introducing the isres core, building blocks for the heart of your portfolio. find out why 9 out of 10 large professional investors choose ishares for their etfs. ishares by blackrock. call 1-800-ishares for a prospectus which includes investment objectives, risks, charges and expenses. read and consider it carefully before investing. risk includes possible loss of principal. i heard you guys can ship ground for less than the ups store. that's right. ie learned the only way to get a holiday deal is to camp out. you know we've been open all night. is this a trick to get my spot? [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. save on ground shipping at fedex office. neil: welcome back. >> most of you know me pretty well. what you see is what you get. while i may be affable and someone who can work with meers of both parties
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the number one thing to understand already even if all the tax cuts were made permanent, tax revenues projected to grow by 6.2% a year. so what they're really debating about how much should it grow even faster than that in order to enable bigger government. 100% of our fiscal problem is on the spending side. obama is being very inflexible on that. republicans i'm afraid will get taken to the cleaners just what happened in 1990 when read my lips. melissa: would you rather we went over the fiscal cliff? >> compared to what obama's talking about, the fiscal cliff might be better because obama not only wants soak the rich tax increases that would automatically happen, he then wants additional taxes on top of that would be very bad for american competitiveness. we don't want to send jobs to china and india but almost as if obama wants to do that. at least if we went over the cliff, we would get the sequester, which is the budget wonk term for automatic reductions in the growth of spending. melissa: absolutely but i'm not sure republicans are giving in as much as you think. if you drill dow
the number one thing to understand already even if all the tax cuts were made permanent, tax revenues projected to grow by 6.2% a year. so what they're really debating about how much should it grow even faster than that in order to enable bigger government. 100% of our fiscal problem is on the spending side. obama is being very inflexible on that. republicans i'm afraid will get taken to the cleaners just what happened in 1990 when read my lips. melissa: would you rather we went over the fiscal...
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>> one reason to raise taxes we have 1 trillion dollar eficit, but i agree with charlie, we've got to cut this noncess out how we need 50 billion of extra stimulus. look, we're running 3illion a day of deficit spending, we don't even know if deficit spending is stimulative. we don't have to prove that that's stimulative. we're running such a huge deficit. unless he's a poker player and this is a bid to throw us off pace, that's not a serious proposal. we're not dealing with this seriously at 1600 pennsylvania avenue and he owes the population a lot more than he's owing. >> neil: adam, i'm worried that they make a christmas treeut of this and throwing more and more ornamts because it's the next legislation that we're cobblingogether we might as well put some spending in there. in this case, a minimum of 50 billion others like chuck scmer talked not trying to find a way to wiggle half a trillion dollars for another construction effort here, and on and on and on. >> well, of course, unfortunately, neil, i should say for better or worse, the way you're describing it is in fact the way it
>> one reason to raise taxes we have 1 trillion dollar eficit, but i agree with charlie, we've got to cut this noncess out how we need 50 billion of extra stimulus. look, we're running 3illion a day of deficit spending, we don't even know if deficit spending is stimulative. we don't have to prove that that's stimulative. we're running such a huge deficit. unless he's a poker player and this is a bid to throw us off pace, that's not a serious proposal. we're not dealing with this seriously...
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adding tax hikes on dividends and capital gains. the white house wants 50 billion in new spending next year alone in a long-term deal that is supposed to be about cutting spending. >> not even $400 billion in cuts and they want to have this extra spending that is actually greater than the amount they're willing to cut. it was not a serious proposal. >> the president may have the upper hand because the fiscal cliff tops allow him to back the opposition into a corner by framing this as republicans raising taxes. >> if congress does nothing, every family in america will see theiincome taxes automatically go up on january 1st. that is sort of like a lump of coal you get for christmas. >> congressional democrats operating like they don't have to compromise on spending or taxes. >> elections have consequences. the president campaigned, made it very clear. made very clear that he was supporting ta cuts for the middle-class, that he wanted the expiration of the tax cuts for the high end. >> very little progress among the inside player so fa
adding tax hikes on dividends and capital gains. the white house wants 50 billion in new spending next year alone in a long-term deal that is supposed to be about cutting spending. >> not even $400 billion in cuts and they want to have this extra spending that is actually greater than the amount they're willing to cut. it was not a serious proposal. >> the president may have the upper hand because the fiscal cliff tops allow him to back the opposition into a corner by framing this...
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it depends on what the tax rates are. the 4% kicker or 04 percent cpi increase in the cost of living over the annuity. you have to look at that in the context of the tax opporunity. you have to be careful. gerri: they always have problems with their family. your advice which i cannot even imagine, learn to say no the families and friends. do you live alone, have no do you live alone, have no family and friends? where our dedicated support teams help you know more so your money can do more. [ rodger ] at scottrade, seven dollar trades are just the start. our teams have the information you want when you need it. it's anotherson more investors are saying... [ all ] i'm with scottrade. ll, having a ton of locations doesn't hurt. and a santa to boot! [ chuckles ] right, baby. oh, sir. that is a customer. oh...sor about that. [ale announcer ] break from the holiday stress. fedex office. are you loing for a plan thateally meets your needs and your budget? as you probably know, medicare only covers about 80% of your part b medica
it depends on what the tax rates are. the 4% kicker or 04 percent cpi increase in the cost of living over the annuity. you have to look at that in the context of the tax opporunity. you have to be careful. gerri: they always have problems with their family. your advice which i cannot even imagine, learn to say no the families and friends. do you live alone, have no do you live alone, have no family and friends? where our dedicated support teams help you know more so your money can do more. [...
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tax rates. it may be just tax rates higher for those making half a million a year, i think they'll retreat a little bit. >> i think, too, what i'd like to see the republicans do, i'd like to see them pass a bill extending tax cuts below $250,000 and everyone agrees those should be put through and then put through another bill that extends the tax cuts on those $250,000 and above and let the democrats take ownership because you know, they're going to be held responsible for the economic performance of 2013 and come 2014, you can actually get a political change that might make a difference. stuart: we'll wait and see on that one. art laffer, always a pleasure. >> bye now. stuart: the republicans submit their fiscal cliff solution. now, that plan put out by speaker boehner, includes 800 billion dollars in extra tax revenues and that would come from limiting deductions and not from higher tax rates. and there would also be 1.2 trillion dollars worth of spending cuts and the white house immediately d
tax rates. it may be just tax rates higher for those making half a million a year, i think they'll retreat a little bit. >> i think, too, what i'd like to see the republicans do, i'd like to see them pass a bill extending tax cuts below $250,000 and everyone agrees those should be put through and then put through another bill that extends the tax cuts on those $250,000 and above and let the democrats take ownership because you know, they're going to be held responsible for the economic...
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it is supported by the payroll taxes. that workers and their employers pay. >> you have seen, surveys that show the direct we're going, we -- the direction we're going we have moved its trouble date up, compared to other programs, that is prestine, my only point is why not put it out there, why not put out medicare, and medicaid and everything, and for republican defense, everything, and rather than pick and choose. >> whether defense, medicare, medicaid, those are out of general revenues, they are in a defendant category. social security, does nida, just need adjustments, it should not be part of solves will deficit. neil: i think what is intrinsic. is what you are not saying. that we're missing an opportunity to address the overall rate of money coming in and money going out. if you want to leave social security alone, and just look at all of other entitlements and big spending and hear, they say focus it has to be on taxes, i'm not here is a they don't raise taxes on the rich. the elects do have consequences that is on
it is supported by the payroll taxes. that workers and their employers pay. >> you have seen, surveys that show the direct we're going, we -- the direction we're going we have moved its trouble date up, compared to other programs, that is prestine, my only point is why not put it out there, why not put out medicare, and medicaid and everything, and for republican defense, everything, and rather than pick and choose. >> whether defense, medicare, medicaid, those are out of general...
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he raised taxes on the democrats promised him $2 in spending cuts for every dollar in new taxes. george bush is still waiting for those $2 in spending cuts. now the president is saying to live in give you two and a half to one. it's time the democrats and the president stepped up and cut spending. gerri: to that point. i want you to respond to what the white house had to say in response to the republicans offer and then go to michael's point about what you will actually get later. here is what dan pfeiffer said. it promises to lower rates for the wealthy and stick the middle-claas with the bill. we could do it pinocchio test. is that true or false? >> completely false. they want to keep all the race the same. now lower than for anybody. and maintaining the status quo on rates. the deductions are actually targeted for upper-income people. the democrats, the white house, some left wing groups that on behalf of the white house imagined how they would design the republican plan and then they attack it. dishonest during the campaign, and the president is still running a political camp
he raised taxes on the democrats promised him $2 in spending cuts for every dollar in new taxes. george bush is still waiting for those $2 in spending cuts. now the president is saying to live in give you two and a half to one. it's time the democrats and the president stepped up and cut spending. gerri: to that point. i want you to respond to what the white house had to say in response to the republicans offer and then go to michael's point about what you will actually get later. here is what...
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they know their taxes are going up. they know regulatory expenses are going up and they know if they do make money that will be taxed at a higher rate. a lot of employers are shrugging their shoulders and saying why take the risk. melissa: peter do you agree with that. >> yeah. it is the barack obama effect. only 150,000 a month the man is obsessed what did he say last week campaign, voting is the best revenge. now he is about to take it out on the one or 2%. that is all his focus. he is going around the country, hurricane sandy, rebuilding needs to be done. he is not paying attention to that and certainly not paying attention to jobs creation. instead he is on this vendetta. melissa: ian, at the same time you see companies out there, they're doing what they need to do. we saw ibm for example saying that when it comes to their 401(kk, instead of contributing every other pay period the way they have before they will wait until the very end of the year and do their matching then. almost an accounting trick. not really a t
they know their taxes are going up. they know regulatory expenses are going up and they know if they do make money that will be taxed at a higher rate. a lot of employers are shrugging their shoulders and saying why take the risk. melissa: peter do you agree with that. >> yeah. it is the barack obama effect. only 150,000 a month the man is obsessed what did he say last week campaign, voting is the best revenge. now he is about to take it out on the one or 2%. that is all his focus. he is...
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but you don't have to wait for the tax hikes. $317 billion in new taxes. set to kick in january 1st. and we will show you the latest tax increase brought to you by the people who created obamacare . get ready for armageddon. is america reelly headed to help? is there any way to stop the document author of after america, mark stein joins me next. ♪ ♪ lou: welcome all fundamental dishonesty at the heart of america's financial crisis. my next guest saas americans really seems of want a european size government with current american size tax rates. one or the other has got to go. we will see. joining us now, author of the best seller, get ready for armageddon. also, a recording of -- i will explain my laughter. his new holiday cd, making spirits bright available on the amazon and itunes. i am trying to think how to do it. >> the words stuck in your throat. lou: it is terrific. it is wonderful. here to prove the point, and it's ggod to have you. i wish you lots of luck. by the way, s t eyn. that's right. and i got it covered. >> that's right. why do i have
but you don't have to wait for the tax hikes. $317 billion in new taxes. set to kick in january 1st. and we will show you the latest tax increase brought to you by the people who created obamacare . get ready for armageddon. is america reelly headed to help? is there any way to stop the document author of after america, mark stein joins me next. ♪ ♪ lou: welcome all fundamental dishonesty at the heart of america's financial crisis. my next guest saas americans really seems of want a...
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the tax man is coming and he wants to tax everything. there's a long list of everything where the left wants to raise the tax take as of now, monday morning, centers on tax hikes, not spending cuts and certainly not entitlement reform. first to secretary geithner to him and the president, it's all about pushing the republicans to accept tax hikes. >> you know, i can't promise that. that's a decision that lies in the hands of republicans that are now opposing increase in tax rates. if they recognize the reality that we can't afford to extend those tax rates then we have the basis for an agreement for the american people. stuart: other voices on the left are chiming in with tax suggestions and ralph nader says he wants a tax on every single financial transaction including stock trades and he calls it a speculation tax. an editorial in the washington post today calls for an end or at least limits on the deductible for charitable deductions. overwhelmingly the deduction benefits of the wealthy and the rest of the country has to make up the g
the tax man is coming and he wants to tax everything. there's a long list of everything where the left wants to raise the tax take as of now, monday morning, centers on tax hikes, not spending cuts and certainly not entitlement reform. first to secretary geithner to him and the president, it's all about pushing the republicans to accept tax hikes. >> you know, i can't promise that. that's a decision that lies in the hands of republicans that are now opposing increase in tax rates. if they...
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why not raise rates on rich, fight for a simp her tax system that -- simpler tax system that might provide lower taxes down the road. >> well we need to demand concessions on spending. neil: we're not getting them. >> that is the point, so putting up taxes is not a way of getting concessions in the future. neil: from the get go they put up that 800 billion figure. >> a starting point, the problem is that, as you know, not only will the democrats want more in taxes, but they have in place, with this horrible deal that was done a year and a half ago with debt sealing that gives deal -- there is a deal in place. and it recalls that fiscal cliff, but the deal of made a year and a half ago, the republicans, democrats and president signed off on this, allowing tax increases to go back in place. and they signed on to half a trillion in cuts, in domestic programs and half a trillion in defense, understand what this is as a conservative, defense is 16% of the budget. other 84% gets half a trillion, defense getting half a trillion. the democrats are welcoming this to happen. >> the guy who ran secon
why not raise rates on rich, fight for a simp her tax system that -- simpler tax system that might provide lower taxes down the road. >> well we need to demand concessions on spending. neil: we're not getting them. >> that is the point, so putting up taxes is not a way of getting concessions in the future. neil: from the get go they put up that 800 billion figure. >> a starting point, the problem is that, as you know, not only will the democrats want more in taxes, but they...
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call it a tax revolt. more than 170 companies issuing special dividends to avoid higher taxes next year. is a victory for investors but it is it also a victory for libertarians? we will ask one of them after the break. the judge. want to try to crack it? yeah, that's the way to do it! now we need a little bit more... [ male announcer ] at humana, we understand the value of quality time and personal attention. which is why we are proud to partner with health care professionals who understand the difrence that quality time with our members can make... that's a very nice cake! ohh! [ giggles ] [ male announcer ] humana thanks the physicians, nurses, hospitals, pharmacists and other health professionals who helped us achieve the highest average star rating among national medicare companies... and become the first and only national medicare advantage company to achieve a 5-star rating for a medicare plan... your efforts result in the quality of care and service we're able to provide... which means better health
call it a tax revolt. more than 170 companies issuing special dividends to avoid higher taxes next year. is a victory for investors but it is it also a victory for libertarians? we will ask one of them after the break. the judge. want to try to crack it? yeah, that's the way to do it! now we need a little bit more... [ male announcer ] at humana, we understand the value of quality time and personal attention. which is why we are proud to partner with health care professionals who understand the...
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largest tax cut company in the world. australia had a really strong tax season. a loss of $0.39 a share. they do typically take a loss in this particular quarter because it is not the most busy time for doing taxes. they said they are very optimistic heading into the tax season. this stock looking pretty good. up 3.5%, up 10% for the year. connell: thank you very much. dagen: they were in love and then they weren't, with apple. they have gone gold, investors. for good. connell: cheryl and dennis are coming up to take over coverage with the latest on apple and whether investors have already seen their best days with the stock. i don't know. we will be right back. ♪ mac i am cheryl casone. dennis: i am dennis kneale. apple shares are higher after selling off for days. investors bailing out and taking a big capital gains before higher taxes. is there more at work here? have we fallen out of love with the beloved land? cheryl: plan layoffs increasing for the third straight month. tomorrow we need to look at the big number, the government number. coming up a unique
largest tax cut company in the world. australia had a really strong tax season. a loss of $0.39 a share. they do typically take a loss in this particular quarter because it is not the most busy time for doing taxes. they said they are very optimistic heading into the tax season. this stock looking pretty good. up 3.5%, up 10% for the year. connell: thank you very much. dagen: they were in love and then they weren't, with apple. they have gone gold, investors. for good. connell: cheryl and...
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we live and die by property taxes and sales taxes and they are all coming in shorter than anticipated. basically because the property values in detroit. it is starting to pick up in michigan. we just need a little bit more time in order to get our financial house in order. in order to grow our economy. gerri: i have heard that before. we need more time to get our fiscal house in order. wouldn't it make more sense? i know that you are probably playing all kinds of different groups. all kinds of different political groups who want to have their voice heard. wouldn't it make more sense to come in and have the state on this thing -- the thing that we will fix this thing and get it done. >> unfortunately, they can't unilaterally change them. so the financial emergency manager coming into detroit, setting us back a year. we just need to have the political will make these decisions and get it done. we have the political will to get it done. i don't want to sound like a broken record, but it is as simple as that. an emergency manager can do anymore than what we are doing right now with the to
we live and die by property taxes and sales taxes and they are all coming in shorter than anticipated. basically because the property values in detroit. it is starting to pick up in michigan. we just need a little bit more time in order to get our financial house in order. in order to grow our economy. gerri: i have heard that before. we need more time to get our fiscal house in order. wouldn't it make more sense? i know that you are probably playing all kinds of different groups. all kinds of...
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with taxes going up, tax-free muni bonds are all the rage. we will have tips on how to find some good ones next. dennis: first, some of today's winners and losers. ♪ [ male announcer ] this is joe woods' rst day of work. and his new boss told him twongs -- cook what you love, and save your money. joe doesn't know it y, but he'll wk his way up from busser to wter to chef before opening a restaurant specializing in fish and me from the great northwest. hel start investing early, he'll find some good people to help guide him, nde'll set money aside from his first day of work to his last, which isn't rocket science. it's just common sense. from td ameritrade. dennis: over 100 companies are paying special dividend. this is before the tax rate on dividends could more than double in january. liz macdonald is here. >> already munis has downgraded nearly a third. borrowed money to issue special dividend. in other words, do it before tte end of the year. in fact, half of the deals out there, in october, worked for special dividend. i will tell you so
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gerri: as you are implying, the taxes, the debt tax sores after january 1 if nothing happens. >> monster. gerri: absolutely frightening. to you, you can see how people are reacting in the heartland to this. we're seeing reports every single day about people who are no upping the ante to charity because they're worried that their charitable donation will be worth less. companies are paying dividends like to have not seen in december. it seems to me like the rest of the world is ahead of congress. washington is in the rearview see, and everybody else is getting ahead of them. >> right. i say that's like every other day in america where the rest of the world as head of congress. [laughter] gerri: how is this different? [laughter] >> i think that's right. i think what we're seeing in public is a little bit different from all rehearsing in private. what you're likely to see is republicans agree to some kind of decoupling of the tax rate issue, whether they do it and this proposal that has been floated that they vote present and let the president and democrats on the issue or whether they free
gerri: as you are implying, the taxes, the debt tax sores after january 1 if nothing happens. >> monster. gerri: absolutely frightening. to you, you can see how people are reacting in the heartland to this. we're seeing reports every single day about people who are no upping the ante to charity because they're worried that their charitable donation will be worth less. companies are paying dividends like to have not seen in december. it seems to me like the rest of the world is ahead of...
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that is higher taxes, raising tax rates, and taxes on investment income. at least $50 million in new stimulus spending in the next fiscal year alone. mind you, of course, the republicans looking for spending cuts as an offset to their agreement to raise taxes. the only spending cuts in the plan come from cutting medicare and other programs by 400 billion over the coming decade. timothy geithner also requesting the equivalent of a permanent increase in the national debt limit. president obama remarkably consistent in his intent to raise taxes on the top 2% of taxpayers. half of those are small-business men and women. the entire election season, he did say a number of times since being reelected, and he's not backing off. the president and his baath insist on higher taxes for the so-called wealthy. remarkably, republicans seem surprised by secretary geithner. chief correspondent ed henry with our report. reporter: optimism faded as timothy geithner let the republicans to declare the talks are going nowhere. >> i'm disappointed. i'm disappointed in where we a
that is higher taxes, raising tax rates, and taxes on investment income. at least $50 million in new stimulus spending in the next fiscal year alone. mind you, of course, the republicans looking for spending cuts as an offset to their agreement to raise taxes. the only spending cuts in the plan come from cutting medicare and other programs by 400 billion over the coming decade. timothy geithner also requesting the equivalent of a permanent increase in the national debt limit. president obama...
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paying more taxes. that will go up in january. cheryl: it will be interesting. protesters in each of force the u.s. embassy in cairo to shut down. up-to-the-minute coverage ahead. dennis: it is illegal to smoke pot in two western states, but we will tell you why employers can still fire you for doing it. cheryl: that makes sense, right? would you pay more for vitamin c in showers or aromatherapy? we will talk to the man behind the stay well hotel concept. dennis: as we do every day this time, here is looking at her, why that the cme with that. [ male announcer ] where do you turn for legal matters? at legalzoom, we've created a better place to handle your legal needs. maybe you have questions about incorporating a business you'd like to start. or questions about protecting your family with a will or living trust. and you'd like to find e right attorney to help guide you along, answer any questions and offer advice. with an "a" rating from the better business bureau legalzoom hel you get personalized and
paying more taxes. that will go up in january. cheryl: it will be interesting. protesters in each of force the u.s. embassy in cairo to shut down. up-to-the-minute coverage ahead. dennis: it is illegal to smoke pot in two western states, but we will tell you why employers can still fire you for doing it. cheryl: that makes sense, right? would you pay more for vitamin c in showers or aromatherapy? we will talk to the man behind the stay well hotel concept. dennis: as we do every day this time,...
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far as tax reform, come up with more tax revenue. melissa: thank you so much for your input, peter barnes. lori: what is on the menu? got to give a shout out. there is another battle brewing over the fiscal cliff, instead congress and the white house, this one happening on twitter. melissa: dennis kneale is covering the story with the latest. i love this one. >> the obama administration renowned for the use of social networks but this time maybe it outdid itself. the president urging americans to tweet their support for using the hash tag mo farah, as in my $2000, raised taxes on somebody else. now my2k has become a way to trash obama and cheering at the democrats. they been acquired sponsorship rights for my2k, they often see paid messages opposing the obama tax hikes. they run the gamut. some talk about the sudden switch to now playing up keeping tax cuts for everyone else. others make fun of my2k origins. a few samples. obama irony, same people who claimed bush tax cuts are only for the rich now argue to keep them because they hel
far as tax reform, come up with more tax revenue. melissa: thank you so much for your input, peter barnes. lori: what is on the menu? got to give a shout out. there is another battle brewing over the fiscal cliff, instead congress and the white house, this one happening on twitter. melissa: dennis kneale is covering the story with the latest. i love this one. >> the obama administration renowned for the use of social networks but this time maybe it outdid itself. the president urging...
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it has been some progress on the tax cut side in terms of tax reform that could raise a type of revenue that we are going to need, but as far as i can see, there has been no meaningful discussion at all on the spending side and as many americans have to balance the wrong budget knows, if you have a deficit that means you have to bring in more rate comment and spend less. melissa: all we're ever talking about is raising taxes and nobody is talking about what we need to cut. the first thing you would do is stop spending. let's tighten our belts. regardless though you really think it is too late? i think they can come up with some solution that is held together with chicken wire and bubblegum and scotch tape and this little crummy thing that will keep us from going over the cliff pushing the whole problem off into the future. speak i think you have to treat two separate issues separately. one is avoiding the cliff, and i think the way to do that is to reach a short-term agreement on tax cut extensions. relatively optimistic they can get a long-term budget agreement done next year, but don'
it has been some progress on the tax cut side in terms of tax reform that could raise a type of revenue that we are going to need, but as far as i can see, there has been no meaningful discussion at all on the spending side and as many americans have to balance the wrong budget knows, if you have a deficit that means you have to bring in more rate comment and spend less. melissa: all we're ever talking about is raising taxes and nobody is talking about what we need to cut. the first thing you...
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you give a 15% flat tax on income taxed, capital gains, gift tax, to put it across the board and then you will see everybody pay the same rate if you make more you pay more. if you make less, you pay less. the speaker and others keep talking about how we are going after the rich. i will never be there, don't care about defending the rich, want to send a system that lets everybody have that chance. england tried this in 2009, they put a hefty pay income tax on people making more than a million dollars per year. the next year they went to 6000 people. and you lose money com, you dont gain revenue. what happens to the middle class? middle class has to suck up even more tax because you are so stupid in your tax policy you actually thought she would tax rich people, but they move. the middle class cannot move. you have a deduction for one home mortgage interest deduction and for charitable deductions. our party has put charitable deduction restrictions on the table. let me tell you come that would kill charities which plays right into this administration. they want the government to be the
you give a 15% flat tax on income taxed, capital gains, gift tax, to put it across the board and then you will see everybody pay the same rate if you make more you pay more. if you make less, you pay less. the speaker and others keep talking about how we are going after the rich. i will never be there, don't care about defending the rich, want to send a system that lets everybody have that chance. england tried this in 2009, they put a hefty pay income tax on people making more than a million...
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i don't want to see tax rates go up. again, i'm not sitting in the white house, and i'm not sitting in the senate. i'll do everything i can to make sure it doesn't happen. dennis: i'll take that as a no. are the democrats truly willing to let us go over the cliff if the republicans refuse to raise rates on the rich? >> i think there's a constituency on both sides, republican and democrat, that would be willing to see that happen for ideological as well as political reasons. i think we both hope that that does not happen, and i think what he said is correct. the republicans did put forward a plan. it's a reasonable plan, but, look, i got news for you. this is a negotiation. they are not going to get everything they want, the democrats not everything they want. just having a plan on the table and criticizing the other side and walking away doesn't help anybody. dennis: it doesn't. how much of what we watch are just postturing posturing and knowing secretly you'll reach a settlement? >> we understand how important it is tha
i don't want to see tax rates go up. again, i'm not sitting in the white house, and i'm not sitting in the senate. i'll do everything i can to make sure it doesn't happen. dennis: i'll take that as a no. are the democrats truly willing to let us go over the cliff if the republicans refuse to raise rates on the rich? >> i think there's a constituency on both sides, republican and democrat, that would be willing to see that happen for ideological as well as political reasons. i think we...
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tax increases coming next year. we've got two avoidance measures in the news, item one. 200 companies or more will pay dividends this year and that avoids the higher dividend tax next year. two, charities are seeing big increases in contributions now in case the deductions is limited next year. and joining us from the research group, we haven't seen greg since the election. >> i think once, you were out that day, but great to see you stuart. how have you been? >> i'm recovering from the election. >> glad to hear it. what i'm seeing with the dividends, charitable contributions speeding up. people are trying to avoid the tax increases they know are going to hit them next year, the rich avoiding the tax on the rich policy, isn't it? >> well, who can blame them, right? this is a classic example of unintended consequences, when you start talking about raising taxes, people take action to reduce their liability. that's human nature, that's common sense. on this, on the stories you cite, stuart. two quick comments, number
tax increases coming next year. we've got two avoidance measures in the news, item one. 200 companies or more will pay dividends this year and that avoids the higher dividend tax next year. two, charities are seeing big increases in contributions now in case the deductions is limited next year. and joining us from the research group, we haven't seen greg since the election. >> i think once, you were out that day, but great to see you stuart. how have you been? >> i'm recovering from...
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that goes down as tax rate marginal tax rates go up. that is the big issue. dennis: if my marginal tax rate stays the same but i can't hire tax bill because they kept my deductions aren't i still going to not bought a welding torch i was going to buy? >> that may be. you made me pick one out of three. dennis: the thing we are worried about, there are things you say they can do. they should wait on spending but tell us about changing their tax filing status. >> one of those things we are going to see is a big difference between the personal marginal tax rates and the corporate tax rates which allegedly are going to be lower to make as competitive internationally so over the past 37 years we have been collecting data we have seen people switch back and forth. it costs money to change your status but the difference between tax rates gets big enough people will do it so we will see people switching from sole proprietorships into corporate status so they can take advantage of lower tax rate. dennis: something like two thirds of balls busines
that goes down as tax rate marginal tax rates go up. that is the big issue. dennis: if my marginal tax rate stays the same but i can't hire tax bill because they kept my deductions aren't i still going to not bought a welding torch i was going to buy? >> that may be. you made me pick one out of three. dennis: the thing we are worried about, there are things you say they can do. they should wait on spending but tell us about changing their tax filing status. >> one of those things we...
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>> make any tax increase, rolling back bush tax cuts, for example, conditional upon reaching agreement that stop the debt growing as a percent of gdp. they can't reach the agreement by the end of the year so as a part of this, agree to retroactively roll back bush tax cuts if they reach agreements. >> the democrats thought they did enough deficit cutting. >> not even close. >> right. >> 0%, you need $900 billion of tax increases or spending cuts to stop debt growing as a percent of gdp. on the $900 billion you need, you need more than that. the president, who wants to support his spending, needs enormous tax increases, and public opinion says he can blame tax increases on republicans if he's over the cliff so his threat to go over the cliff, i think, is very credible, and i think the republicans are in a very procare yows negotiating position because if they are blamed for this, they'll loss the house, and if they lose the house, there's enormous damage done to the economy. >> that's all the control they have left. they don't want to lose that in two years. back to the math to dig into
>> make any tax increase, rolling back bush tax cuts, for example, conditional upon reaching agreement that stop the debt growing as a percent of gdp. they can't reach the agreement by the end of the year so as a part of this, agree to retroactively roll back bush tax cuts if they reach agreements. >> the democrats thought they did enough deficit cutting. >> not even close. >> right. >> 0%, you need $900 billion of tax increases or spending cuts to stop debt...
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when you withdraw, you already paid taxes on the money so it grows tax-free. >> taxpayers are looking for ways to accelerate income into 2012. the roth ira is a good way to do that. tracy: and you owe the entire tax bill on your entire ira this year. >> correct. all of the future earnings, future growth will be tax-free in the future. you need to be careful. the roth is not necessarily something, if you are looking you need the money and the next couple years. it is something you don't want to touch. you want to use money to pay the taxes outside of the ira. it is a wonderful estate planning tool. if you do not need the money, you can allow it to grow for decades and they give it to the next generation. tracy: and then your heirs get it for free. let's talk about capital gains. this is a big issue for a lot of people. what about dividend producing stocks and putting them into a retirement account. >> absolutely. it is worth considering. where should your assets be. inside or outside an ira. you only pay tax when you take the money out in retirement. tracy: it is worth discussing. we w
when you withdraw, you already paid taxes on the money so it grows tax-free. >> taxpayers are looking for ways to accelerate income into 2012. the roth ira is a good way to do that. tracy: and you owe the entire tax bill on your entire ira this year. >> correct. all of the future earnings, future growth will be tax-free in the future. you need to be careful. the roth is not necessarily something, if you are looking you need the money and the next couple years. it is something you...
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raising the gas tax is the latest. tom kloza joined those on the phone now. >> i think it is probably something that is sensible to look at. melissa: what works? this is incredibly regressive. i cannot imagine democrats embracing this. this will hit lower income americans the hardest. >> in the rural south and the rural midwest. it has not been increased since 1993. it is a fraction of what you see. here is a thought. if you really believe and i do believe that we are probably going to be much more dependent on foreign oral and have two purdue as oil going forward, there may be a way to index it towards those u.s. numbers. melissa: is the economy growing at 8% and no one told me look back why would you raise taxes on something like this works? home values are terrible. unemployment is high. that just takes money directly away from things that people would spend money on to fuel the economy and put that in the pocket of the government. >> i would disagree with you. years ago if we would spend as much as we well this yea
raising the gas tax is the latest. tom kloza joined those on the phone now. >> i think it is probably something that is sensible to look at. melissa: what works? this is incredibly regressive. i cannot imagine democrats embracing this. this will hit lower income americans the hardest. >> in the rural south and the rural midwest. it has not been increased since 1993. it is a fraction of what you see. here is a thought. if you really believe and i do believe that we are probably going...
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taxes. is anybody listening to this? >> we just put this out. we like to get congress focus on doing the least amount of harm while they raise revenues of some sort. you can do through asset sales, develop kind of things thee3 government owns and does not own. a lot of things in terms of oil leases and about a trillion dollars worth of mineral rights the government can sell off rather than raising taxes. they can equate government workers to pay more towards the health insurance and pensions, that would be a good thing and raise revenues. there are lots of ways to raise revenues without doing harm to the economy. lori: i have got to interrupt you here, why is the president so insistent upon raising tax rates for the wealthy? if you are point we don't necessarily have to do that to get meaningful revenues. melissa: it seems like religious or political on is part. this is a matter of an article of faith on the part of democrats and liberals to get rid of the bush tax cuts for the wealthy. they
taxes. is anybody listening to this? >> we just put this out. we like to get congress focus on doing the least amount of harm while they raise revenues of some sort. you can do through asset sales, develop kind of things thee3 government owns and does not own. a lot of things in terms of oil leases and about a trillion dollars worth of mineral rights the government can sell off rather than raising taxes. they can equate government workers to pay more towards the health insurance and...
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instead of reforming the tax code, the president wants to raise tax rates. even if the president that the tax rate hike that he wanted, understand that we will continue to see trillion dollar deficits for as far as the eye can see. washington has a spending3 problem, not a revenue problem. if the president does not agree with our proposal, i believe he has an obligation to families and small businesses to offer a plan of his own. we are ready and eager to talk to the president about such plan. >> you did speak with the president earlier this week, can you characterize that call. also, it has to be increases in rates for the wealthy or no deal. >> the phone call was pleasant, but more of the same. it is time for the president to be serious and come back with a counter offer. [inaudible question] >> the risk the president wants us to take, increasing tax rates will hit many small businesses that produce 60-70% of the new jobs in our country. that is the whole issue. [inaudible question] >> i think that is reckless talk. [inaudible question] >> listen, raising
instead of reforming the tax code, the president wants to raise tax rates. even if the president that the tax rate hike that he wanted, understand that we will continue to see trillion dollar deficits for as far as the eye can see. washington has a spending3 problem, not a revenue problem. if the president does not agree with our proposal, i believe he has an obligation to families and small businesses to offer a plan of his own. we are ready and eager to talk to the president about such plan....
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tax rate increase. democrats have said no to that proposal.% in response to that a spokesman for house speaker john boehner saying despite republicans offer to put real revenue on the table the president has offered no concessions whatsoever. when will this willingness to compromise materialize??3 now republicans and democrats say there are no major meetings planned, no summit for democrats and republicans yet to get together and talk on this. the white house says they imagine that there is some e-mail traffic going back and forth but they refuse to tell us when and where they plan on negotiating this. back to you. ashley: i bet the language in the e-mail is pretty interesting too. >> right. ashley: rich edson, thanks so much. tracy: well more companies are accelerating their dividend payments. so we heard from campbell's soup and coach. some of the latest getting cash to shareholders ahead of fiscal cliff. oracle taking it a step further. moving up three dividend payments before the end of the year. fo
tax rate increase. democrats have said no to that proposal.% in response to that a spokesman for house speaker john boehner saying despite republicans offer to put real revenue on the table the president has offered no concessions whatsoever. when will this willingness to compromise materialize??3 now republicans and democrats say there are no major meetings planned, no summit for democrats and republicans yet to get together and talk on this. the white house says they imagine that there is...